Talk:Digital rights management

Incorrect redirect?

I came from Federated and clicked on Federated content, but was redirected here. The description from Federated says "Federated content, a type of digital media content" which doesn't match this page's topic/content/any of its sections/etc. IMO it should be unlinked, they're not related, but I wouldn't know how to unlink them even if I wanted to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A629:3300:E857:CE2A:BE53:A961 (talk) 12:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Probably it means the same thing. 2A02:859:9F:6A00:E4C9:9E0:E403:7FF (talk) 13:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I have changed the Federated content redirect to point to Content management#Federated governance where at least federated is used. ~Kvng (talk) 16:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Images

This is an article on DRM. A third image has been added. This makes three images, all of which are anti-DRM. This is an encyclopedia and must not push a WP:POV.

DRM Lite..

Didn't look into much, seems to be just DRM (but from British Library..).. Not sure if article needs to say anything on this: http://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/bl/global/services/on%20demand/documents/ondemand-faqs-drmlite.pdf

Add information about Genetic use restriction technologies (GURTs)

Shouldn't GURTs be discussed in the wider context of Digital Restrictions? I'm sure you can find literature talking about the two as part of the same phenomenon.

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2023

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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Unclear formulation

Activation limits

DRM can limit the number of devices on which a legal user can install content. This restriction typically support 3-5 devices. This affects users who have more devices than the limit. Some allow one device to be replaced with another. Without this software and hardware upgrades may require an additional purchase.

This sentence is somewhat unclear. Should it be perhaps: "Without this, software and hardware upgrades may require an additional purchase."

But still, "this" refers to the whole previous sentence, which doesn't sound very clear. Proposal for new formulation: "Some allow a device to be replaced with a different one. Otherwise, software and hardware upgrades may require an additional purchase."

Also, it should be "This restriction typically supports", as it is 3^rd person singular. Nimbostratus 87 (talk) 17:25, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Tractor companies trying to prevent farmers from making repairs is not a form of DRM and should be removed

At the end of the 3rd paragraph, it says that "For instance, tractor companies try to prevent farmers from making repairs via DRM." But this is not DRM since this is not protection of digital content. Therefore this should be removed. LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The cited source is about preventing modifications to the software installed on the tractor. It is clearly DRM. MrOllie (talk) 00:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The text should be specifying that then since it does not say that it was changing the hardware in the tractor. LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 00:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I have a problem with this. The first article is by a self-described story-teller and is a story passed on from one tractor owner. The second cite is clearly trying to push a POV with no real evidence. I saw nothing about anyone trying to modify software or use of DRM. I'd like to see better RS for this claim as this just appears like general belly-aching about the complexity of everything these days unrelated to the article. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Some quotes from the source: But like a lot of mechanical items, tractors are increasingly run by computer software. Now, farmers are hitting up against an obscure provision of copyright law that makes it illegal to repair machinery run by software., You may wonder why Alford doesn't just break that digital lock and get into the software and fix the problems himself. He could, but he'd be breaking the law. It's called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, or DMCA. MrOllie (talk) 00:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

For all we know, he could have made this story up. LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 01:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The essence of WP:V and WP:RS is that we trust the word of reputable news sources such as NPR. MrOllie (talk) 01:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

In a 2014 survey, it says that NPR is only 55% trusted by people who have heard of it.

[1]https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/10/30/which-news-organization-is-the-most-trusted-the-answer-is-complicated/ LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 01:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to take that to WP:RSN and try to get NPR ruled unreliable. MrOllie (talk) 01:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I did it. It should be at the bottom of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 01:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I am quite familiar with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 as I have successfully filed many complaints under the law with YouTube and other sites. This sounds nothing remotely like that. The article author describes herself as a story-teller and it is one story from a farmer. Is there any indication that the software was causing the problem? How was the farmer planning to modify the contents of a chip? Why is there no software expert in the story explaining how DRM has anything to do with the story? O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I added a second cite to wired which covers the same stuff. I had my choice of about a dozen other cites. NPR is not out on a limb here. MrOllie (talk) 01:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

An article about a hacker named Sick Codes? If you had a dozen other cites, why pick this one? Is there an article from an expert that shows a connection to DRM and talks to both sides? There may be a warranty issue, which would be quite different. The tractor may not be wholly owned. Overriding the software may result in injury or death raising the possibility of liability. I've seen warnings like this on equipment unrelated to software. Maybe it is somehow a DRM issue. But how and why? This all sounds like a click-bait article -- big on claims missing explanations. I'd like an encyclopedia to do better. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to look up any of the many available sources for more details. The nutshell is that the DMCA disallows the circumvention of authentication sequences, and tractor vendors use such sequences to require that the hardware runs only their official software builds. Many of the issues are similar to the ones in Lexmark International, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc. - you might be more familiar with that one, it was when printer vendors tried to prevent the sale of generic ink cartridges. MrOllie (talk) 01:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

There's more on this at John_Deere#Non-serviceability_by_owners_or_third_parties. MrOllie (talk) 01:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think this relates at all to Lexmark International, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc. and printer vendors still limit use of generic cartridges. I just read John_Deere#Non-serviceability_by_owners_or_third_parties. Seems to me that contradicts this article and also makes no mention of DRM. When you buy an IBM mainframe or midframe, you are not allowed to modify or even know the contents of the OS software. That's been true for about 40 years. Has nothing whatsoever to do with DRM. It is part of the agreement in purchasing or leasing the equipment and will not change. In olden days, I used to modify IBM operating systems. Those days are gone and all the users I know of are delighted with the change. Trying to paint tractor repair problems with DRM is a brush too wide. Reminds me of a few decades ago when comedians, pols, and activists used to wail about the law that says you can't remove the tag from a mattress you bought -- only there never was such a law. Inclusion in an encyclopedia should be based on a legal understanding, whether it actually applies, and its consequences and rationale. Not anecdotes about irrelevancies like ink cartridges. O3000, Ret. (talk) 02:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The citations are quite clear about this. That you seem to disagree with them is noted, but you have been around Wikipedia long enough to know the citations should be followed on this rather than our personal opinion. MrOllie (talk) 02:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

How is this a "Personal opinion"? they never said that they "Believe" in what they said or anything. LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 02:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The citations explain almost nothing. How is this actually related to DRM? What does Deere say? What is the exact situation? What legal expert has weighed in? I have no opinion on the exact circumstances because the needed info is completely missing. It's a one-sided gripe blaming it on DRM with no legal connection shown. Maybe Deere is run by assholes or maybe they want to avoid killing their customers. I don't know and this article ain't telling me.

BTW, I was interviewed for the very first issue of Wired. Can't brag as I think it's a vacuous, populist mag. I would not use it as a source for anything involving legal issues. O3000, Ret. (talk) 02:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You're right, the article does sound a bit clickbaity. I doubt some stuff in the article was not exaggerated a bit. LukeTheAwesomePro (talk) 01:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Why is it not needed?

This edit comment says "not needed". I guess that means that the disambiguation with Direct Rendering Manager is not needed. Why?

I think we need Disambiguation:DRM because, as I've recently found out, there are many meanings of this abbr. Orisphera2 (talk) 11:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

This article is titled digital rights management, not DRM, which is already a disambiguation page. Mindmatrix 13:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

"Easy and cheap" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Easy and cheap has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 25 § Easy and cheap until a consensus is reached. cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2025

In the second paragraph of the Opposition section, we should use the past tense for Ross Anderson, who passed away last year. The sentence may be better as "… who headed a British organization …" Kjmh (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

 Done Aston305 (talk) 18:35, 3 April 2025 (UTC)